On the matter of Anti- Semitism II
Posted by Henric C. Jensen on May 6, 2007
“here i am, the world’s newest Jew. Since I can be atheist and jew, I have chosen to be so. I don’t have a jewish mother. I don’t have any Jewish relatives. And since Dov so claerly explained what a Jew is in another there si nothing anyone, including he and Ket, can say to take away my right to be Jewish. I swear I’ll try and sustain a high moral quality, for I wouldn’t want to be a lazy Jew or an embarrassment to Jews worldwide. I swear, I’ll read my 2 favourite Jews all over again—Marx and Chomske. But they are infidels. maybe I shouldn’t. Darn it’s so difficult to be Jewish.
But, as we all know, tell me off a bit too much, and I’ll use the anti-Semite card for anything even remotely resembling you saying anything 10 times removed about Israel or Jews or Judaism or Zionazis. So beware. i have a trumped deck—yep, 53 cards.
So now I can be better able to spew hate and pull out my card when attacked. The beauty of itall. No wonder […] and Dov love being jewish. You can’t lose. YET.
Maybe I should change my name from […] to “proud special status person”. I think we should have our own private Semite parking spaces and anyone we don’t like who parks in them should be called an anti-Semite and be duly punished by having their license revoked till it is reviewed by a Zionist triumverate to see if the infidel in the space is worthy of having his permit back.
I’m gettinmg so many ideas. That’s all for now.”
You might wanna take that up with a Rabbi – see you need a Rabbi for a formal conversion to be Jewish unless you were born by a Jewish Mother… so whatever you say – you’re not Jewish, and I doubt you’d ever pass through the eye of the needle – you’d fall flat on your face, stumbling on your own insincerity…and arrogance.
For the record: I said “The only way you can be or become Jewish is either through birth or conversion.” – you are using […]’s definition of who is Jewish, not mine – and […] isn’t Jewish, so her definition really doesn’t matter.
You can call yourself whatever you want […], but the rest of us all know that this is just another of your attempts at insulting the Jewish People. An anti-semite through and through.”
There was a lot of rattling and shaking of fists – and then the thread was brought back to some resemblence of order.
“I did not attack anyone on the first post. i simply put down in an overdone manner what you nad some others say. Show me where I have insulted anyone.”
Like I said – you calling yourself a Jew is an insult to the Jewish People – the entire post is an insult to the ENTIRE Jewish People. I don’t expect a man of limited resources as yourself to see that, but all in this thread, except you, have agreed on this – don’t you see that? Or is the fact that we all here, except you, are in agreement on this some sign to you that you are right, and no insult has been made by you?
“I attempted to show how Jews are seen by others and why they are seen in this way.”
And the reason that Jews are seen this way by others is because of Anti-Semitism. I know, you probably don’t believe me, but it is the plain truth. Those sentiments that you expressed through your “parody” are so deeply Anti-Semitic and go back in history so far that it is hard to know just where it started. To understand how those sentiments are Anti-Semitic, one has to understand the Jewish mind, one has to understand Jewish History from a Jewish point.
“The problem most people have with “jewish” is that it is unclear what a jew is and it goes deeper than having a Jewsih mother and being converted. The problem is that you also say that it is a religion, an ethnicity, and a culture. You also say that I can be an atheist and a Jew.”
Yes. Why is that a problem? It is all of the above – and the only requirement for being Jewish is that you are either born by a Jewish Mother or converted.
What makes you Canadian/Greek? What makes a Palestinian a Palestinian? How do you know that you are YOU?
It is only a problem if you want it to be, and if you think it is important to define someone as Jewish or Greek/Candian or Palestinian. Otherwise it is really irrelevant.
“but people make it relevant.”
Yes, and that is Anti-Semitism, it is ethnic/cultural/religious profiling, and that is racism, and racism directed at the Jewish people is called Anti-Semitism.
“They use religion to start wars and hate. Greek is not a religion. It is an ethnicity and a culture.”
Most Jews do not consider themselves religious, even if they practice Jewish religious and cultural Traditions, the Religion is inseparable from the Jewish Culture and Ethnicity, just as the Culture and Etnicity are inseparable from the Religion – which makes it an Identity, where all those parts are inseperable. Atheist Jews still practice Judaism.
“That’s where the problem lies with Judaism.”
It is a problem only if you make it a problem. The Arabs made it a problem for 1400 years. The Xians have made it a problem for over 2000 years, before that the Romans made it a problem, before that the Assyrians and the Babylonians made it a problem, and before that Egypt made it a Problem. The World in one form or another, regardless of who was the Ruler at the time has made the Jewish People a problem for themselves and the Jewish People, and that, […], is Anti-Semitism. Now you are making it a Problem – when there really is no problem.
For Millenia people have said: “if only the Jews weren’t Jewish, there wouldn’t be a Problem, for them or Us”.
The Modern Times version of this is very well expressed by Andrew Winkler, the Editor in Chief of Ziopedia.org
“In that sense, there is no such thing as a good Jew. For a Jew to become a valuable human being, they must recant Jewishness and become what’s known as former or recovering Jew. They must embrace unreservedly the rest of mankind as their equals, regardless of their heritage, nationality, religion or race. They must become Earthians, no more and no less.”
Note phrasing that implies being Jewish is a disease, something to recover from, like the plague. This kind of reasoning is no better than the reasoning used by Fundamentalist Xians when they attack Gays. In fact it’s exactly the same…
At least he’ll allow us to live – most other have taken their best shot at exterminate us to solve “the Jewish Problem”.
The guy I quoted in the beginning of this Blog Entry also said this:
“I thought it was time to bring up the Jewish question in order to see what behaviour would come out of it and how appreciated it would be in a progressive group.”
“The Jewish Question” – by all means put us back in the 19th and early to mid 20th centuries…
“A famous negative reply to the issue was penned by Bruno Bauer, The Jewish Question, (Braunschweig, 1843). he askes the question “The German Jews desire emancipation. What kind of emancipation do they desire? Civic, political emancipation.”
Karl Marx answers:
“The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from Judaism.“
A phrase that has been misunderstood and misused by the Radical Far Left to mean “The social emancipation of the Jew is the emancipation of society from the Jews.” Andrew Winkler hooks onto this misinterpretation of Marx’s words, demanding that the Jew stop being Jewish in a cultural and ethnic sense as well as religiously – but that is not what Karl Marx was saying. He wasn’t an Anti-Semite, nor was he a self-hating Jew – For Marx being Jewish is an Identity, i.e it is something he IS (even if he converted to Catholicism) – he never denied being Jewish. Karl Marx opposed any kind of Religion, also the Jewish Religion – but as Religion is not the only signifier for being Jewish (Marx would have known this, being Jewish) Karl Marx has no objection to the Cultural and Ethnic definitions of being Jewish.
Poor Marx, if he only knew that he was being used as an excuse for exterminating his People…
The mistake made here by the Radical Far Left is that they understand “being Jewish” from a Xian mind-set, i.e it’s connected to faith/beliefs – but Karl Marx approaches the issue from a Jewish Mind-set in which beliefs don’t have anything to do with identifying as Jewish.
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