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Posts Tagged ‘Geert Wilders’

The fear of being Racist at the core of European Immigration Problems

Posted by Henric C. Jensen on March 31, 2008


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“Until now I was only in it to uphold freedom of speech. With that I mean: ‘When there is a tendency to muzzle speech with violence, or threats of violence, you ought to stand up for the person who wants to say his part, even if you don’t agree with him, or them, or don’t understand what he is talking about.'[…] Islam is the new religion immigrated from different nations with different cultures and the struggle to adapt them to our secular society is a hard one. Politicians ignored the integration question for 30 years and left the immigrants out to dry. That’s why some people are still living within their old traditions and groups and some even don’t speak Dutch. Especially women from Islamic cultures who are kept in the house. This is an important and difficult debate where the groups involved can feel insulted, but I also think it needs to be dealt with. I don’t think Wilders has the right way to do it, but I support his freedom to make some havoc about it that this debate can be addressed publicly.” (Marc Gartmann)

The Nations in the European Union are largely responsibility for their own “immigrant problems” – something that they refuse to acknowledge, just as they refuse to discuss the hard issue of what should be expected of immigrant communities, as well as what the immigrant communities can expect from their adopted Societies. This is true about ALL immigrants to the various European Nations. This refusal has given intellectual birth to people like Geert Wilders and his ideas.

The resentment that he directs at the Muslim Immigrants should rightfully be directed at the Dutch Government. In my opinion, the only Nation in EU that has a successful history of dealing with their immigrants and their racists is Finland. What has Finland done that makes me say this?

1. They have realized that their Society has limits, and that it cannot accommodate immigrants in their thousands.

2. Made sure that the immigrants they have accommodated are properly taken care and integrated from day one of their stay.

3. Worked closely and parallel with the Immigrant Communities and the Finnish Society they have been inserted in to avoid misunderstandings and resentments.

4. Consistently seen immigrants as resources and positive additions to Society, that have something to give, rather than take.

5. Treat immigrants and non-immigrants equally in terms of expectations and privileges.

This can only be accomplished if and when a society honestly looks at its resources, the needs of its citizens, both new and old, and fit them to each other and add them up to make sure they do not out-weigh each other.

In a few words – Finland has, compared to most other nations in the EU, a very restrictive, but realistic immigration policy that takes into consideration both Society as a whole and the Immigrants. Finland has also consistently been criticized as being less willing to receive immigrants. If only the rest of the EU had emulated Finland’s example! Then we would not have had the problems that we see in England, Holland, Sweden, Denmark, France or Italy.

As for the debate that Marc is pointing to as crucial and tough. One reason that it is so difficult to initiate and have is that it has become politically incorrect (i.e racist) to want to limit the influx of immigrants or have expectations of those immigrants that is allowed in. It’s good to be liberal, but if a nation is so liberal that it can no longer see its own limitations, financially, socially and culturally, it is no longer healthy.

To deny cultural differences out of fear of being labeled racist and then react negatively when those differences comes back to bite you in the ass is just another form of racism.

Geert Wilders, and I agree with Marc that he is not Racist, is just the top of an iceberg, and his criticism of elements of Islam, that don’t merge well with Dutch Society is not only warranted but necessary. His methods are not acceptable, but his criticism should be.

Is it racist to expect people to learn the language in their new country?

Is it racist to expect that people try and become versed in the social and cultural codes of their new country, and learn how to apply them?

Is it racist to expect that people obey the laws of the country they adopt?

I really don’t think so. The failure to have those expectations of immigrants is the root of all immigrant problems in Europe and it’s a root that has been growing by the minute since the mid 60’s. Now we reap the fruits, in the form of the Arab European League and Geert Wilders.

SoB

Posted in Bigotry, European Politics, Geert Wilders | Tagged: , , , , , | 2 Comments »

FITNA – The Movie

Posted by Henric C. Jensen on March 28, 2008


Fitna – The Movie
Screen Shot of the Video INtroYes, the Movie is highly Islamophobic. Fully on par with any propagandamovie made by Josef Goebbles. The quoted Imams, Muslims and Mediaarticles in the Movie are fully on par with any Extreme Fundamentalist Xian or Jewish Clergy, believers and what is written about them in the media. I could easily substitute every quote from the Quran given inthe movie with similar or worse from both Torah and the XianScriptures. I could make a Xianophobic or Judeophobic Movie – simpleand easy. That has been done, it will be done in the future. Nothing new there, my friends.The Quran, as the Bible or Torah, is subject to interpretation. If one choose to read it literally one will find all kinds of horrible things in it, as can be done with the Bible or Torah. But why should we judge Islam any different than we judge Judaism or Xianism? Why should we deem the Fundamentalists of Judaism and Xianism less dangerous than Islam? Why should we read the Quran any different than we read the Bible or Torah? We seem to have forgotten that Extreme Fundamentalist readings of Torah and the Bible have lead to, and will continue to lead to the same kind of violence as that described in “Fitna” –

Christian terrorism

Jewish Terrorism

Timothy McVeigh

Meir Kahane

To mention a few we all know about. We don’t claim Xianism orCatholicism as a violent religion because of Timothy McVeigh did or Judaism as a religion of terror based on what Meir Kahane did. Therefore it’s absurd to claim that Islam to be a religion of terror based on 9/11 or other violent attacks committed by people professing to be Muslims.

Judge the Extremist Interpretation of the Quran, not the Quran itself or all the Muslims in the world.

SoB

Due to threats, the Movie has been removed from LiveLeak, it can be found here on Google 

Posted in Islamophobia | Tagged: , , | 11 Comments »

Dutch Islam film website ‘shut’

Posted by Henric C. Jensen on March 24, 2008


Geert Wilders A website that a Dutch right-wing politician was planning to use to release a film expected to be fiercely critical of Islam has been suspended.

The US hosting service, Network Solutions, said it was investigating complaints that it may have breached guidelines on hate language.

Dutch politician Geert Wilders says the 15-minute film describes Islam as “the enemy of freedom”.

The planned release has sparked angry protests in many Muslim countries.

The Dutch government has disassociated itself from Mr Wilders’ views, but there are fears the film will spark protests similar to those that followed the publication in Denmark two years ago of cartoons seen as offensive to Muslims.

The film has already been condemned by several Muslim countries, including Iran and Pakistan.

Hate messages

Mr Wilders’ film is entitled Fitna, an Arabic word used to describe strife or discord, usually religious.

Mr Wilders wrote a commentary in a Dutch newspaper on Saturday.

“The film is not so much about Muslims as about the Koran and Islam. The Islamic ideology has as its utmost goal the destruction of what is most dear to us, our freedom,” he wrote in De Volkskrant.

Geert Wilders has ignored pleas to shelve his project

“Fitna is the last warning for the West. The fight for freedom has only just begun,” he said.

He had been using Network Solutions to promote the film.

But on Sunday, Network Solutions said it had received a number of complaints that were under investigation.

It said the site was suspended until it was established whether the content of the site violated Network Solutions’ terms of acceptable use.

They include “material that is obscene, defamatory, libellous, unlawful, harassing, abusive… hate propaganda” and “profane, indecent or otherwise objectionable material of any kind or nature”.

Mr Wilders has had police protection since Dutch director Theo van Gogh was killed by a radical Islamist in 2004.

I don’t like it when people are censored, not even in the case of hate speech, on the other hand – I don’t want hate speech around of any kind. I have always felt that education is better than censorship.

I can also see the hypocrisy in this – this specific site is shut down, because it might offend Muslims, but sites like JewWatch.com and Ziopedia.org are not shut down, and yet they ARE offensive to Jewish people. I guess that’s what you get when there’s a risk you might be bombed unless you comply.

I mean that last – I really do. The Radical Extremist element, in this case within Islam, is holding the world hostage through the use of violent protests against Freedom of Expression. I don’t care that Geert Wilders is a Right-Wing Extremist, he has a right to share his opinion – when he does, I promise I will be there and object to it in a civil manner, but I DO NOT accept Civil and Human Rights to be held hostage at gun point so a few Extremists are not offended.

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