
“Will people view the date “May 3rd” the way they do “September 11th”?
The current death toll estimate from the Cyclone in Myanmar (Burma) is 100,000.
100,000 humans dead, 42,000 missing and who knows how many displaced. The death toll will probably climb in the aftermath and it will depend on how much assistance is given by how many and when.
The death toll from 9/11 was 2,998 not including the hijackers.
Will we in North America be participating in massive public displays of mourning every May3rd with pictures of giant bald eagles with the Burmese flag painted over its left eye flying over a depiction of rescue workers covering the land that was destroyed or will this whole incident fade from public memory within the next three months because, quite frankly, those people were poor and brown-skinned, and not quite as important as us?” (Christian Bobak, Toronto, Canada)
The sad answer to those questions is NO. This entire posts (in Care2) made me write some things.
One poster came in and said:
Myanmar is like comparing apples and oranges, but because of his hate-america syndrome C can’t or won’t figure out the difference.
A comparable event would be the Madrid Bombings or the London Bombings – and I bet neither of the North Americans here can even put those two events in the right month, much less pin-point the day.
The original poster continues:
I’m not downplaying the tragedy of 9/11, merely pointing out that there have been far worse tragedies and always will be, yet no one in this part of the world seems to realize that. Instead, they focus on 9/11 repeatedly, year after year as if it was the worst thing that ever happened in the history of the world. To this day, I still get NMs and forwards about 9/11 and why I should “never forget”. Well, why shouldn’t we “never forget” May 3rd?
He is making an extremely good point.
Considering the lack of NMs on the matter of the Cyclone in Myanmar, people might actually not be aware that it happened or the scope of it.
Just another foot-note.
I also have to agree with Kevin. If 9/11 had happened somewhere else that too would have been merely foot-notes in the margins of the consciousness of NA (or, I am going to narrow it down to the US). The reason it’s not, is because of the political value of it. After all, terror attacks have happened all over the world in modern times, and they haven’t gotten a GLOBAL impact zone, the way 9/11 has, despite the fact that they have definitely impacted countless lives.
To which another poster threw in this inane comment:
Pure, unadulterated bull droppings.
It became clear that the longer the discussion went on the USonians saw any attempt to discuss the lack of interest in the Myanmar Disaster was going to be met by defensive attempts to throw red herrings and derail the focus on the USonian obsession with 9/11 and their dismissal of that which does not touch the US.
I continued:
Myanmar is not big business, Myanmar is not on the North American map, Myanmar doesn’t impact an entire world through its foreign policies, so it’s “uninteresting”.
Someone once said something about humans killed in terms of 1 = murder 100 = massacre and 1000 = statistics.
I think that’s true – it’s difficult to fathom the scope of 100.000 dead/missing/injured. It is hard to see the HUMANS in such numbers.
Why is 9/11 sacrosanct to a point where an entire world is forced to commemorate something that actually only impacted the US?
Why not the same turn-out of NMs, emails, blog-entries and whatnot over 11/3 and 7/7 or 5/3?
How about commemorating 22/2? Not only were a lot of people injured and had their lives impacted by what happened that day – one of the world’s most beautiful ANCIENT buildings was lost forever…
The entire world is reluctantly involved in some way in a “war on terror” that has nothing to do with any other nation than the US and its obsession with 9/11.
Until 9/11 2001 terror happened frequently all over the world, based in various ideologies, and each nation that was struck picked up the pieces and went on with their lives.
Then the US was struck, and citizens in Sweden have their salaries and assets frozen for YEARS simply because they wanted to help their relatives abroad.
Every 9/11 since 2001 – 6 years – re-runs of footage is aired on International Media Channels across the globe – demanding that we “never forget”. The world would have to black-out the International Media (read Fox News and CNN) for a week around 9/11 to avoid the force-feeding of an Usonian national tragedy.
9/11 has become the choke-collar by which the US is holding the world hostage – “you are either with us or you are with the terrorists…”
I don’t think 9/11 is any more important than any other act of terrorism throughout history – I don’t think American lives are any more important than Burmese lives, or Iraqi Lives, or Swedish lives or Danish lives. And I refuse to be emotionally blackmailed into thinking there is a difference.
Of course it’s an important date to those who live in the U.S.? If only because it exhibited to Americans how easily our national security can be shattered. Why shouldn’t it be?
I don’t think anyone here said that it shouldn’t be remembered by USonians. Go ahead, remember, but don’t make the rest of the world part of the “commemoration”.
But you don’t see the British do re-runs on footage from 7/7, not even on BBC World, year after year. You don’t get NMs and emails from Spaniards demanding that we never forget 11/3 or hear either of those governments demand that anyone out-side Britain or Spain, who send money to destitute relatives have their salaries frozen or their savings impounded because they used the “wrong” channels to deliver the money – nor did you hear the British PM or the Spanish President say on International TV that “you are either with us or you are with the terrorists”.
What you saw the British and the Spanish do was cover it on National TV for as long as there was an investigation, and then they moved on, got on with their lives and accepted the fact that it happened. I don’t get NMs about 7/7 from my British friends every year, nor from my Spanish friends about 11/3. But I do get those NMs and emails from my American friends about 9/11 EVERY year, in droves, piles and packs. And forwards.
Who the hell forces you or anyone else to commemorate 9/11? We are not required to observe it even in the US. That statement is asinine, but typical SOB. As I said to C, 9/11 is not your concern.
No, 9/11 SHOULDN’T be of any concern to any other nation than the US. But it has been made the concern of the rest of the world by the US, through an illegal war, through a yearly flooding of NMs, emails and American Media Coverage broadcast to the entire world, through political and emotional blackmail, that makes it virtually impossible to avoid being aware of, unless one chooses to move out into the middle of nowhere and get ear-plugs and blinders.
You yourself actually made my point by responding to C with “but because of his hate-america syndrome” – i.e because he has the guts to bring up the issue of why 9/11 is more important than 5/3 you label him an America hater.
The US made 9/11 my problem by involving the entire world in a national trauma and demanding that the rest of the world cow-tow to US policies in the aftermath of that national trauma.
It might not be our concern/problem, but the US is certainly shoving it down the Collective International throats through how it has handled what should really have stayed within US National Borders.
The British have suffered Terror from the IRA since the 1920’s, yet they don’t broadcast this fact through International Media, nor do they blackmail the rest of the world politically and/or emotionally into detaining every Irish person or freeze their assets or intimidate the world to attack the US (has the biggest Irish Population out-side Great Britain and Ireland) because there might very possibly be Irish people there that have IRA sympathies…(we know there are, because they frequently flee there from British Justice…)
No one has said that the US has forced the world PRIOR to 9/11, and if you read that from my posts, you are way dumber than I thought your were.
I am strictly speaking about post-9/11.
Up until 9/11 2001 terror attacks have always been considered the internal affair of the country hit by it – but just as in the past, as soon as the US is hit, it becomes a Global Affair. WWI – the US didn’t join the war until Lusitania was hit. WWII, the US didn’t enter the war until Pearl Harbor. Those are historical facts, K, and they are giving empirical evidence that “The War on Terror” didn’t exist until the US was hit, and then THAT war became a Global Affair.
London 7/7 and Madrid 11/3 would not have happened if it had not been for the US making 9/11 a global affair.
Don’t you try and make this about people blaming the US for things they had nothing to with – that’s just idiotic red herrings, K – you G-damn know better than that.
Say one syllable about the US that might be interpreted in a negative manner, and the majority of USonians have knee-jerk hissy-fit reactions – not on what is being said, but what they think is being said.
I am Danish, I live in Sweden, and I have the guts, balls and ding-dings to admit that when it comes to how both nations have stood up to the US “you are either with us or you are with the terrorists” bully tactics, I am embarrassed beyond belief.
However, as both C and Kevin have pointed out, this thread is not about Denmark or Sweden or even about the US, but about how 9/11 is being given more significance and importance than f.i May 3rd or July 7 or March 11 or for that matter February 22nd, and how the entire world is being taught, by the USA, that 2998 dead and 9/11 is somehow special, while 100.000 dead and 5/3 is not, or will not be in a few weeks.
The fact that the majority of Americans in this thread cannot see how 9/11 is being used again and again, and again to garner all sorts of sympathy, military assistance, illegal surveillance and apprehension of non-Americans out-side the US without warrants and even a shred of evidence that they have done anything illegal, as well as to justify torture, black ops and political blackmail, is staggering, and when it comes to some here, the imbecile pig-headedness on this particular issue, the knee-jerk reaction and the throwing about of red herrings, blue herrings and even white herrings is rapidly reducing their credibility as discerning, logical, level headed and educated people to 0 on the Respect-Scale.
I repeat: London 7/7 and Madrid 11/3 would not have happened if it had not been for the US making 9/11 a global affair.
The US is like a testosterone crazed spoiled teenager on acid – he scrapes his knee, another kid punches him on the nose and he is ready to go have a chainsaw-massacre, not just on the specific kid who punched him, but that kid’s entire neighborhood. On the way there he threatens everyone else with torching their house unless they put a band-aid on his nose and swear to join his chainsaw-massacre on the other kid’s neighborhood. In addition to this he also hires people to drive around the City with bullhorns on the anniversary of that nose-punch, blasting every corner of the Municipality with the message about how hurt he was and how many liters of blood he lost when that other kid punched him.
Get your heads out of your asses and try and see just how things look from the out-side – for just 5 minutes – you might actually be enlightened and become better people for it. On the other hand, you might get embarrassed over how self-centered and self-absorbed you are.
The most “funny” comment was this:
Or get real issues to talk about.
Oh, I see, the US running around like a drunk three-year-old with a gun shouting “Bang-Bang, your dead!” when the rest of the world doesn’t do what the US wants it to, is a non-issue now?
Tell that to the Swedish Citizens who had their salaries and their savings frozen for three years, because they used the halawa system to send money to their destitute relatives in Somalia, and the US screamed “Terrorists” without a shred of evidence…and yes, Sweden didn’t say anything – but I guess that is a non-issue too.
I am beginning to see what Norman Finkelstein means when he speaks about the Holocaust-Industry – only when it comes to the US it’s the “9/11-Industry”.
Then someone asked me about the news…
Then why don’t you take your beef about what they feed you on the newsreels to the International News Media? 
Usually BBC, isn’t it? Hello?
No, it’s not BBC – they didn’t even cover London 7/7 much beyond the few facts of the investigation, and then they only returned to the issue whenever there was a news-worthy update in the investigation and apprehension of some of the involved. They didn’t cover 9/11 beyond the 1 anniversary.
I am speaking about CNN International and Fox News – and as far as I am aware they are US Media-outlets. I could of course write a mail and complain, but I doubt they would listen.
Besides, nowadays with the Patriot Act in place of the Constitution, they only broadcast what the US Government considers kosher.
The comment made by this person only shows how extremely uneducated and ignorant about what “International News” is to the rest of the world the Americans are.
She continued:
It’s like this for me … when I see sh1t on the telly that I don’t want to watch, I switch the channel or get off my butt and do something else.
Yes, of course, why didn’t I think of that? THAT attitude is the reason so many Americans are ignorant and complacent – if they don’t like what they see, they bury their heads up their arses and pretend it doesn’t exist.
Almost every month, maybe more, brings massive natural disasters. What, must we officially commemorate Days of Remembrance for them all?
I don’t think anyone here is calling for that. I know I am not.
In Denmark April 9 and May 5 are days all Danes know what they signify, and most, at least in my and my parents generations do commemorate them, at least mentally – there used to be specific rituals as well, but I doubt anyone does those anymore. Of course we should all remember such dates as are important to us, individually and nationally. That is my point in this – besides agreeing with C – 9/11 is a US national tragedy, but because of what happened in the WORLD thanks to the action of the US AFTER 9/11, that date has been made an International Affair.
If the US had not decided to go to war on terror and invade two countries, against the wishes of the International Community, and if the US had not started all kinds of illicit and covert operations OUT-SIDE the US to intimidate and interrogate non-US citizens, 9/11 would have remained a national US affair, but because the US did all of the above, 9/11 has taken on ridiculous proportions, both in the way it’s commemorated and in the way it’s immortalized as The Event.
US was hit, like nations has been hit before her, and the entire world suffer as a result. That is MY point here. That and the fact that 6 years later the entire world is still aware of what happened in New York September 11, 2001 – while the death of 100.000 people in Myanmar will be forgotten in three months by the entire world except Myanmar and those non-Myanmarans who were directly impacted.
The TV woman comes back:
Then, knowing this, why do you watch those broadcasts if they are so irksome?
Why do I watch International News? Because the rest of the world interests me – but let’s agree that 9/11 2001 stopped being News 10/11 2001. Re-runs on news channels aren’t news, especially not when the news is 6 years old…
And I do try to avoid watching that which I do not like, but it’s really hard, because there’s a World War going on out there because of 9/11, and every now and then the American News Out-lets here will start reminiscing or think that the world has forgotten why there’s a World War going on out there.
We have three International News Channels here – CNN International, Fox News and BBC World – I usually go through all of them in the course of a day – for the variety of angles on the main stories.
With a World War out there directly based in 9/11, any story that covers the War will also cover, from time to time, references to 9/11 – also BBC World, though they are not as hysterical about it as Fox or CNN. To me the alternative is not watching the news at all, other than Swedish National News Channels, and that doesn’t cover issues I am interested in.
That is MY point here. That and the fact that 6 years later the entire world is still aware of what happened in New York September 11, 2001″
So what? Maybe they are aware it could happen to them?
The thing is it happened in the US because “America’s chicken has come home to roost!” – there is no reason the rest of the world should have to pay for what the US has done to itself. Madrid 11/3 and London 7/7 happened as a direct result of 9/11.
It could happen in Madrid and in London, not because of anything Britain or Spain had done, but because of what US has done, and is still doing.
Europeans have always been aware that something like NY 9/11 could happen to them even before 9/11 – you are forgetting that Spain has been living with ETA and Britain has been living with IRA since before WWII – that’s why you don’t see the British or the Spanish making a big number of 7/7 and 11/3. They have been there and done that for decades.
The Americans weren’t aware it could happen to them, despite Oklahoma City and the Atlanta Olympics… Europeans have been plenty aware. In fact many Europeans weren’t especially surprised.
The US has made an Political industry out of 9/11 2001, and they are not going to stop capitalizing on it until the rest of the world as ONE refuses to play in their little melodrama.
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