Sanctimonious Bullshit
Posted by Henric C. Jensen on July 29, 2007
This morning, as I was listening to my local Christian radio station, they were announcing the coming of Ramadan, the Muslim holy month. The Christian community was being encouraged to pray for the Muslim people during this time.
That struck me as being very interesting. I understand that many people believe Islam to be a religion of peace, but I do not agree. I think most Muslims want to live at peace with the world, but the growing radical movement wants the destruction of all other religious groups. So here’s a religion in which many of its followers are seeking to kill Christians, but Christians are being asked to pray for them.
Sounds like the upside-down kingdom Christ talked about while on earth. Let’s pray hard!
“But I say, love your enemies! Pray for those who persecute you” (Matthew 5:44)!
*lol*What a load of sanctimonious bullshit! Coming from an adherent of one of the most murderous religions on earth. Next he will be saying that we cannot judge Xtianism by a “few bad eggs” during the last 2000 years – yet that is exactly what he is doing with Islam.He is judging an entire religion and all its adherents as “not peaceful” on account of a fraction of 300 million Muslims…How about reading about not judging instead of praying?“Mat 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. ”
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hawkman64 said
Thanks for the comment. You made some very interesting assumptions. First of all, I’m not “an adherent of one of the most murderous religions on earth.” No more than I am an adherent for racism, just because many in this nation used to be (and many still are) racists. Do you disown your family because of past mistakes they’ve made? Could Christianity not have changed for the better over the centuries? I denounce the Crusades and other murderous acts of Christians. They were not “of God.” That’s not what Jesus taught. So, no, I won’t be saying that we can’t judge “Xtianism” by a “few bad eggs” during the past 2000 years. I will be saying, “Judge Christianity for what it is TODAY.” No different than you wanting to be judged for who you are today, not in your past.
Second, I did not judge an entire religion and all its adherents as “not peaceful.” Did you actually read my post? I said just the opposite: “I think most Muslims want to live at peace with the world…” That doesn’t sound like harsh judgment to me. Will you deny that a growing number of Islamics are extremists who wish to rid this planet of anyone who is not Islamic? By the way, how many radicals of 300 million does it take to create a dangerous situation?
Third, I have read about judging, AND I pray about it. You had no problem quoting Jesus in Matthew 7:1, but you didn’t finish the quote:
“For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged.”
Jesus qualifies our judging. He says that the way we judge others is the way he’s going to judge us. If I’m judged according to my blog statement, I don’t think I have much concern. Praying for a religion that has a growing radical element is NOT judging them. It’s praying for them. My prayer for Islamics is that they WILL be a peaceful religion and stop those within their movement who seek to radicalize it. By the way, that’s the same prayer I often lift up for Christianity. I wouldn’t call that hypocrisy. I’d call it consistency.
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Silly Old Bear said
“Thanks for the comment. You made some very interesting assumptions. First of all, I’m not “an adherent of one of the most murderous religions on earth.” No more than I am an adherent for racism, just because many in this nation used to be (and many still are) racists. Do you disown your family because of past mistakes they’ve made? Could Christianity not have changed for the better over the centuries? I denounce the Crusades and other murderous acts of Christians. They were not “of God.” That’s not what Jesus taught. So, no, I won’t be saying that we can’t judge “Xtianism” by a “few bad eggs” during the past 2000 years. I will be saying, “Judge Christianity for what it is TODAY.” No different than you wanting to be judged for who you are today, not in your past.”
Did I say one word about the Crusades? No I did not. Because I am judging Xianism for what it is today – and it is still murderous. It still preaches the Global conversion of Jews, Pagans, Muslims and others, to whom it’s equal to spiritual suicide to convert to a religion not of their ancestors. Unfortunately this command to commit spiritual murder is in the Greek Scriptures, along side a whole lot of other Anti-other-religions speech.
If you believe that Jews, Muslims, Pagans, Hindus, Buddhists and all others who are not Xians should convert to Xianism, then you are an adherent of one of the most murderous religions on earth – TODAY.
I have been trashed by ordinary, non-hostile Xians for using the terms “many Xians” the same way you used many in “So here’s a religion in which many of its followers are seeking to kill Christians” – so somehow it is a generalizing term – besides during the last 6 years to date Xian soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan have killed more Muslims than Muslims have killed Xians in the last 1400 years…
I would not have objected if you had said “Radical Islamists”, but you didn’t – you generalized.
Now, what is good for the goose should be good for the gander, Nuh?
“Will you deny that a growing number of Islamics are extremists who wish to rid this planet of anyone who is not Islamic?”
Actually, I would – I would say that is a fear filled and Islamophobic hyperbole. Why, because the number of Radical Islamists during the last 1400 years have been constant, just as it has been constant when it comes to Radical Xianists. What have changed though is the way we communicate in the World, both Virtually and in 3-D. Before 9/11 the US didn’t bother to monitor the Arab World – but nothing have changed since 9/11 – just the way people get around.
Saying that people are not “of G-d” because they misbehave when it comes to your own religion and not extending the same “excuse” to the “Muslims” that do not represent Islam is sanctimonious.
I will comment more, but now I have to relinquish the computer to my wife 🙂
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Silly Old Bear said
By the way, how many radicals of 300 million does it take to create a dangerous situation?
Isn’t this just another way of spreading the Islamophobic hyperbole, I think it is – I could counter with saying that a radical fraction of 2 billion Xians is as dangerous – and name those too – the people adhering to the message of the book series “Left Behind”, which among other things teach children to kill non-believers, the members of the American Family Association, and other more or less militant, aggressive Xian Fundamentalist “ministries”. Now, those are Radical Xianists, and by all means let’s not forget the White Supremacist Groups, that also profess to be Xians, and the groups that blow up abortion clinics, murder doctors and nurses that are willing to perform abortions…good Xian kids who go gay-bashing as a weekend pass time – or for that matter people who think like Ann Coulter “We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity.”
“Third, I have read about judging, AND I pray about it. You had no problem quoting Jesus in Matthew 7:1, but you didn’t finish the quote:
“For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged.”
Jesus qualifies our judging. He says that the way we judge others is the way he’s going to judge us.”
Now if we just read it – and not attribute the judging to Yeshu ben Miriam – what do we get? Right – as you judge others you will be judged by them – what goes around comes around – what is good for the goose is good for the gander.
If I’m judged according to my blog statement, I don’t think I have much concern. Praying for a religion that has a growing radical element is NOT judging them.
But you are judging them – by deeming that they need your prayers – how the h-ll do you know that? You don’t. You assume they do, judged by your standards, and your ideas of what Prayer is – of which you can know nothing, neither of us do. The very idea that other people are in need of your prayers is arrogant and presumptious.
It’s praying for them. My prayer for Islamics is that they WILL be a peaceful religion and stop those within their movement who seek to radicalize it.
Well, you sure aren’t helping things by putting out Blog entries that only serve to heat things up, rather than cool them down, through Islamophobic hyperbole and generalizations. On the contrary, you are only adding to ideas like that of Ann Coulter.
By the way, that’s the same prayer I often lift up for Christianity. I wouldn’t call that hypocrisy. I’d call it consistency.
That you can do, but leave the rest of the world alone. Really.
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