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Very Interresting Discussion

Posted by Henric C. Jensen on July 8, 2007


Police: Settlers’ Papers on Hebron Building Were Forged | Jerusalem Post

Saturday July 7, 2007, 4:34 pm
Now, this should generate a lemmings-trail of “note-its” from the Far Left Anti-Zionists in this site, and yet it hasn’t – I wonder why? I think I am going to let one of my Alter-Egos post my Israel-critical news, because people seem to assume that if it’s me posting news it must be “contaminated” somehow. Come on People, get this on the front page!

Saturday July 7, 2007, 4:56 pm
Silly,
I don’t think you’re “contaminated”, I don’t always agree with you, but you make some good points.

The whole Israel issue is very complex with one reaction after the next fueling constant chaos. The military exchange is only part of the issue, settlements, road blocks and sanctions add to the tension.

What is your impression of the settlement problem in the conflict?

Saturday July 7, 2007, 5:16 pm
XX,

I think it plays a big role – it would be so much more easy to put forward good, just and viable solutions for all parties involved, if there were no settlements in the Territories. Above all, it would give Israel a bargaining chip: “Look, we are keeping our part of the International Agreement of 1947”. Dale Commented on this in HRN saying that Israel has lost the moral High ground it had back in 1948. That is true. Very true. With the Settlements in the Territories dismantled, some of that high ground would be re-gained, which I think would eventually swing the pendulum from polarization to middle-ground Internationally. Any Palestinian and/or Arab hatred/armed violence against Israel would turn against them in that context.

Or that is my hope – because then pressure could be put on the PA to make peace and start building a Palestinian Sovereign State.

Saturday July 7, 2007, 5:56 pm
The other side of the Story:

Hevron Decries State Prosecution’s Forgery Allegations

Sunday July 8, 2007, 10:42 am
Silly, thanks for providing the other link, I figured there was more to this and that it hadn’t been resolved or confirmed yet.

I agree on most of what your saying, but with only 1/3 of the population in 1948 attempting to claim control over the remaining 2/3, I don’t think Israel had much moral high ground then either.

One problems both sides are faced with is, the people expected to resolve the conflict, don’t have total control over all the people involved. Each government is full of individuals, with individual goals and idea about what is fair and reasonable, passed on to them is the task of controlling their people. So, simply having the right idea and intent to solve the problem isn’t enough, the people need to cooperate.

Without the ‘right of return’, I don’t think the Palestinians will ever fully accept a less than fair partition of land, but I do think they would accept Israel if the borders were fair, even Hamas. With the current balance of leverage, mainly in world opinion, Israel does not have the motivation or political power at home to make such concessions.

The ultimate goal is a truly peaceful relationship between Palestine Israel and all their neighbors. This requires both sides to feel the issue was resolved in a fair and just manner. The problem is, even withdrawing to 1967 borders isn’t going to satisfy the Palestinians who feel they were forced from their land by 1/3 of the population and are now told they can never return. Israel justifies their right to the land from many angles, but what they need the power to do is justify the Palestinians right to a fair partition.

Palestine has the motivation and the power available, all they need is the right plan. This has been my main message to them.

Shifting the balance of power is probably the only way this situation will be resolved. To do this, the Palestinians could to take control of their future and declare peace without negotiating terms. Israel relies on Palestinian violence to justify ‘security zones’ of occupation, all raids inflicting casualties, road blocks, check point searches, sanctions and more. By unconditionally ending violence, all of these justifications are lost, and world opinion would sway on Israels response to this. World opinion would also sway on Israel’s ability to control certain armed settlers, and out of bounds settlements. This would appeal to them as a semi immediate gain in conditions and a long term gain in leverage. It’s a simple political strategy with good motivation that can be passed straight to the people, providing that elusive control governments lack in ending the violence.

Think about it Silly, and let me know what you’re thinking.

Sunday July 8, 2007, 3:27 pm

“I agree on most of what your saying, but with only 1/3 of the population in 1948 attempting to claim control over the remaining 2/3, I don’t think Israel had much moral high ground then either.”

I disagree with this for the simple reason that in 1948 Israel was content to accept the Partition Plan under UN resolution 181 and can hardly be blamed for the all out Arab attack on her before the ink on the Declaration of independence had even dried. – Nor can she be blamed for the lies spread and exaggerated by Arab Leaders. One also have to keep in mind that we are talking about here (per the agreement between Britain and France on the division of the Ottoman Empire) are the Jews in all of what once was the Ottoman Empire from Iraq to Algeria and Morroco, and they can hardly be called 1/3 of the population in comparison to the Palestinians living in Palestine.

“Without the ‘right of return’, I don’t think the Palestinians will ever fully accept a less than fair partition of land, but I do think they would accept Israel if the borders were fair, even Hamas. With the current balance of leverage, mainly in world opinion, Israel does not have the motivation or political power at home to make such concessions.”

I agree with the “right of return” to some degree and the partition of land – but I doubt you will agree with what I am to say next:

The problem with this reasoning, XX is that in 1947-1948, the land partition WAS fair – or let’s say it was satisfactory Let’s not forget the fact that (trans)Jordan annexed 50% of what was supposed to be for the Palestinians of the British Mandate, and Egypt 60% of what was supposed to be the Gaza Strip in the partition plan, leaving the Palestinians with the West Bank and a minute part of the Gaza Strip – (all one needs to do to see this is take a look at the original Partition Plan Map and a map of the British mandate of Palestine). No, that’s not fair – but you cannot blame Israel for what the Arabs did. You need to ask/demand (whichever you prefer) that Jordan and Egypt return to the Palestinians what they stole back then.

The problem with right to return is that who is and who is not a Palestinian refugee is highly disputable. No other people claims to be refugees in 2nd, 3rd and 4th generation – the Palestinians do – they have even managed to, in my mind, manipulate the International Community into creating a specific “refugee” category for them, so that they can perpetuate the idea of being victims. Yes, to right of return of those who are actually refugees without special provisions who have valid papers that show they lived inside Israel in 1947-1948 or 1967 or is an under age child of someone living inside Israel in 1947-1948 or 1967, that is acceptable – That would also mean the right of return for ALL refugees (without special provisions) to their countries of origin from (as put forward by the UN definition of who is entitled to right of return), i.e Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iran and Iraq etc, from where the Palestinians have been expelled or deported to camps because the Arab League “forbids” the host nations to assimilate or naturalize them. If we implement “the right to return” in all fairness, we have to do so with regard only to refugees directly affected by the 1948 and 1967 wars – this means a load of Palestinians really don’t belong either in Palestine nor inside israel, and if they want to live there, they’ll have immigrate like everybody else – if they get invitations to immigrate, like Jews from all over the World are invited to immigrate to Israel – great let them come, I say.

“The problem is, even withdrawing to 1967 borders isn’t going to satisfy the Palestinians who feel they were forced from their land by 1/3 of the population and are now told they can never return. Israel justifies their right to the land from many angles, but what they need the power to do is justify the Palestinians right to a fair partition.”

Israel have already done that – Israel fully expected the Palestinian Arabs to take possession of their half of the Land, which was rightfully theirs according to all International Laws.

What the Palestinians need to UNDERSTAND is that the partition WAS fair, and that they have been lied to by the Arab League and it’s members and are unfortunately continued to be lied to by people who say things like “you are 2/3 being controlled by 1/3”. IF the Arabs and subsequently the Palestinians back in 1948 had accepted the Partition under UN Resolution 181 unconditionally like the Jews did, they would have had their Sovereign State right there and then – don’t blame Israel for the mistakes made by the Arabs back then.

Israel doesn’t need justification for the Palestinians right to their half. They gave that when they accepted the Partition in 1947-48 – they need justification for withdrawing from Occupied Territories and return to the borders of 1947-48 – which as far as I am concerned must be priority #1. Believe it or not, work and ideas are being done and discussed to that end – my Blog Entry from yesterday: Talking Torah in Lieu of Politics – Daniel Sieradski We need to re-draw the map, so that the Partition, instead of being patches here and there becomes two continuous “land-masses” with a corridor for each to have access to Jerusalem.

“Shifting the balance of power is probably the only way this situation will be resolved. To do this, the Palestinians could to take control of their future and declare peace without negotiating terms. Israel relies on Palestinian violence to justify ‘security zones’ of occupation, all raids inflicting casualties, road blocks, check point searches, sanctions and more. By unconditionally ending violence, all of these justifications are lost, and world opinion would sway on Israels response to this. World opinion would also sway on Israel’s ability to control certain armed settlers, and out of bounds settlements. This would appeal to them as a semi immediate gain in conditions and a long term gain in leverage. It’s a simple political strategy with good motivation that can be passed straight to the people, providing that elusive control governments lack in ending the violence.”

I agree.


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Bangladeshi Journalist ignored by Care2 Human Rights Activists

Posted by Henric C. Jensen on July 8, 2007


Here’s the proof that the Anti-Israel Lobby which is dominant in the Groups enumerated below, in this case in Care2, are actively practicing selective Human Rights Activismthe article about Muslim Journalist Salah Choudhury has remained un-noticed and largely un-noted in the Care2 News Network since Wednesday this last week. Why? Most certainly because the title of the Discussions and the News Item – “for supporting Israel” –

Muslim Journalist On Trial For Supporting Israel – Human Rights Watch
Muslim Journalist On Trial For Supporting Israel – Amnesty International Redux
Muslim Journalist On Trial For Supporting Israel – International Alliance of Human Rights Advocates
Muslim Journalist On Trial For Supporting Israel – Ethics in Progressivism
Muslim journalist On Trial For Supporting Israel – Petition Site Center

At best this selective omission on the part of the Group-Hosts and other activists can be described as simple hypocrisy , at its worst it’s dereliction of duty.

Apparently only 12 people bothered to actually read the article and note it – despite the fact that this Journalist’s connection to Israel is marginal in this specific instance. The Human Rights violations he was and is being subjected to should have any Human Rights Activist up in arms, not because he speaks out against Radical Islamist attacks on Israel, and propagates for peace and understanding, but because they are Human Rights violations. Period.

“English PEN is calling for all charges against Bangladeshi journalist Salah Uddin Shoaib Choudhury to be dropped. Choudhury is charged with sedition, due to his alleged association with Israel and his criticism of the spread of Islamic militancy in Bangladesh in his writings. The charge carries a maximum penalty of death or 30 years imprisonment.

Choudhury, editor of the tabloid weekly Blitz, was reportedly arrested by security personnel at Zia International Airport, Dhaka, on 29 November 2003, en route for Israel to participate in a conference of the Hebrew Writers Association. Choudhury was planning to address their writers’ symposium in Tel Aviv entitled ‘Bridges Through Culture’ on the subject of the role of the media in establishing peace. Bangladesh has no diplomatic relations with Israel and travel to Israel is illegal for Bangladeshi citizens.

Intelligence forces claim that documents found in Choudhury’s briefcase – in particular the text of his speech and reports on the human rights situation in Bangladesh – are evidence of sedition. He is accused of having links to an Israeli intelligence agency. English PEN, however, believes that Choudhury’s arrest should be seen as punishment for exercising his human right to freedom of expression.

Choudhury has been freed on bail since 2 May 2005, following appeals from PEN USA in Los Angeles, of whom he is an Honorary Member, and other organisations.

Choudhury is known for his work to improve relations between Muslim countries and Israel. He has written against anti-Israeli prejudices in Muslim countries and, most controversially, about the rise of al-Qaeda in Bangladesh.

The offices of Choudhury’s newspaper were bombed in July 2006, and Choudhury was badly beaten in an attack on the newspaper in October 2006, allegedly involving members of the ruling Bangladesh National Party. His attackers branded him ‘an agent of the Jews’. These attacks were carried out with impunity.

The next hearing of Choudhury’s case is in late April 2007 and English PEN is advised that international campaigning on his behalf is very likely to have influence in the next few weeks. We therefore urge you to send the Bangladesh authorities an immediate appeal (see below) and also to sign the electronic petition that has been launched on his behalf by Scholars for Peace in the Middle East. (Click here for the petition).

For further information on the case, including extracts from Choudhury’s writing, see: http://www.interfaithstrength.com

The absence of notes on this News Item and lack of discussion (there has been none except in Human Rights Network – the Group Hosted and Owned by the poster of the article in the other Groups above) on the Topic in those groups becomes even more significant and glaring, as those Groups are usually very active and alert when it comes to bringing human rights violations to the fore in Care2. This leaves me to conclude that this glaring omission is indeed significant of a deep seated hypocritical attitude among Human Rights Activists in Care2.

If Israel had not been mentioned in the Topic line of the News Item and the Discussion Posts, the Human Rights Activists would have noted it even without reading the article.

Shame on you!

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And you shall live in terror? – Parasha Ki Tavo

Posted by Henric C. Jensen on July 8, 2007


Because these ideas have been on my mind – I am bumping this Dvar Torah up to visibility.

“And it shall be on the day when ye shall pass over the Jordan unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, that thou shalt set thee up great stones, and plaster them with plaster. And thou shalt write upon them all the words of this law, when thou art passed over; that thou mayest go in unto the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee, a land flowing with milk and honey, as the LORD, the God of thy fathers, hath promised thee.” (Devarim/Deu 27:2-3)

I’d like to connect this Parsha to what I wrote on Parasha Shoftim about Israel’s responsibility and obligation to Live by Torah’s Ethical Imperative in respect to the Stranger.

When Moshe is about to die, and he instructs the People one last time about what they are to do when they have entered the Land that G-d has given them: First they are to offer thanks to G-d for the Land, for the Covenant and for personal privileges and accountability, but before they do that they are to make sure that the Covenant and the Laws of that Covenant are visible to all who come to dwell there – and then the consequences of adhering or not adhering to the Laws of that Covenant is to be read out loud – as a consecration of the Land. It is as if G-d wants to make sure that His Torah is thoroughly imprinted, not just in the People, but in the very Land. Violating Torah means Violating the Land, because Torah is imprinted on the Land.

While each Jew is certainly personally responsible for obeying Torah, and are asked to affirm this in Devarim/Deu 26:2-10, this Parasha clearly speaks about the ENTIRE people as a Collective – and not just the People, but the stranger as well – Devarim/Deu 26:11. If they fail to observe the statutes of Torah, horrible things will happen to them.

This is where Judaism gets its idea of Reward and Punishment from. The first time Torah speaks of Reward for obedience is in Shemot/Exo 20:12 – “Honour thy father and thy mother, that thy days may be long upon the land which the L-RD thy G-d giveth thee.” The implication of a Punishment if disobeyed is also there. Violating Torah means Violating the Land.

People don’t want to hear about the consequences of disobeying Torah – they would much rather hear about the Blessings enumerated in the chapter following the Curses – yet the Curses (Deu 27:15-26; Deu 28:16-19) come before the Blessings (Deu 28:3-6) thus somehow spelling out that we should be aware more of the negative consequences of our actions, rather than what we can gain from acting right.

In Deu 28:66, G-d admonishes in a manner that connects to the present situation in Israel:

The life you face shall be precarious; you shall be in terror, night and day, with no assurance of survival.” (Deu 28:66)

Over and over Israel is warned that forgetting the Stranger, the Widow and the Orphan will put her in the dog-house with G-d. Over and over, also in this Parasha, is she admonished that wrong-doing has its price. So why does she insist on wronging the Stranger? Why does the Modern State of Israel keep forgetting the Holy Charge given to her in ancient times? Deu 1:16 (2), Deu 10:18-19 (2), Deu 14:29, Deu 24:17, Deu 24:19-21 (3), Deu 26:11-13 (3), Deu 27:19, Deu 31:11-12 (2) – to treat the Stranger equal to the Home-born?

This makes me think that the consequences of not caring for those, also those not Jewish, that need it or to wrong ANY human being, is the terror wrought on Israel today. Deu 27:19 is tied to Deu 16:20 by the word JUSTICE – the promise of life and prosperity for the pursuit of Justice is echoed in Deut 28:66, in a manner that almost makes my skin crawl. How can she not see this, and what will it take for her to wake?

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